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Wednesday, May 9, 2012

Across Atlantic Ice- Stanford and Bradley 2012

Across Atlantic Ice- Stanford and Bradley 2012
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> Roxana Wrote:
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> > Explain to me in words of one syllable why the
> > maker of this scraper had to be Solutrean? It sure
> > does indicate that somebody was hunting mastodon
> > c. 23,000 BP but why a European Solutrean? I mean
> > I got no problem with it being so but why?


It's long, thin and bipointed (sorry, 2 syllables).


It's 188mm (7.4") long, 55mm (2.16") wide and 6mm
(.24") thick. That's a width/thickness ratio of 9.2.


That's comparable to these:

And the Cinmar bipointed biface we're discussing
was made out of relatively inferior material
compared to the Solutrean examples.

"...These measurements yield a width-to-thickness
ratio of 7.0. This is extremely thin, but not
without precedence in the archaeological record.
Some of the thinner Solutrean laurel leafs have
width-to-thickness ratios even higher than
7.0..."

http://www.ele.net/algor/flake_creation/SD_figures.htm

Theres nothing like the Cinmar bipointed biface in
northern Asia/ Siberia/ Beringia. There are bipointed
bifaces in Asia, much later than 23kya, but they're much
thicker.

None of this means it HAD to be Solutrean, it's
just that Solutrean technology is a close match
for the timeframe. Hell, maybe the LGM Native
Americans crossed over to France and Spain. winking smiley

Images of the Cinmar bipointed biface (click to enlarge):

[gwynnsislandmuseum.org]

The biface is weakly weathered on one face and
unweathered on the other. As thin as it is, it's hard
to believe it's intact...excellent preservation.Historic
ship ballast? I don't think so.

And we do have the biface from the test excavation
on a 17th century site on Eppes Island, VA performed
by the Archeological Society of VA. The point biface
was identified as Solutrean and French in appearance.
It was excavated in 2 halves with two small wedge
shaped pieces missing. Jeff Speakman of the Smithsonian's
analytical lab conducted X-ray fluorescence probe of the
biface. The results indicated the flint was of French origin.
The biface and other prehistoric artifacts were found below
a clay chimney base.

Stanford et al. 2012

Quarterly Bulletin of the Archeological Society of VA 35/3, pp 139-158, March 1981

I'd like to get my hands on this report. smiling smiley

Charlie Hatchett
[preclovis.blogspot.com]



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> Charlie Hatchett Wrote:
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> > Turn these Solutrean paintings sideways and what
> > do you get?

> > Boats? Sails? 

http://thelamplight.ca/schematicoftime/images/boat2a.jpg

http://thelamplight.ca/schematicoftime/images/boat2.jpg

http://thelamplight.ca/schematicoftime/images/boat3.jpg

http://thelamplight.ca/schematicoftime/images/boat1.jpg
> >

> > "...El Castillo Cave, Spain (of Solutrean
> > origin)..."
> >
  http://thelamplight.ca/schematicoftime/boats.htm
> >
> >
> > Charlie Hatchett

> Rick Wrote:
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> Charlie-I think the same thing that is going on
> here is the same thing that happens with a lot of
> egyptian art; Perspective. I don't think we're
> looking at them sideways, I think this is a top
> view of the boats, rafts, floatation devices and
> the dots surrounding them represent the currents
> that are carrying them.


Perhaps. But the "bottoms" (the sides touching the "water") appear bowed:

http://thelamplight.ca/schematicoftime/images/boat2a.jpg

http://thelamplight.ca/schematicoftime/images/boat2.jpg

http://thelamplight.ca/schematicoftime/images/boat3.jpg

http://thelamplight.ca/schematicoftime/images/boat1.jpg

Charlie Hatchett
[preclovis.blogspot.com]


> Rick Wrote:
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> Good point! I didn't notice that. That definitely moves it into the 'side-view' column. But I definitely think  > the dots represent 'water' or 'currents'.

 > > I agree.

> > Charlie Hatchett
> > [preclovis.blogspot.com]


> Rick Wrote:
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> Also look at this late-pleistocene solutrean boat here:







> http://img.adpost.com/classifieds/uploadt/us/boats/us_boats.3746.1.jpg

> Notice how it comes to a point in the front and has a square back which is similar to the cave painting?

> Rick Baudé Wrote:
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> Also look at this late-pleistocene solutrean boat
> here:

smiling smiley

>
> Notice how it comes to a point in the front and
> has a square back which is similar to the cave
> painting?

Yup. The ice age water was probably a bit chilly. winking smiley


Charlie Hatchett
[preclovis.blogspot.com]

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